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involved early. they didn't need to give as much money. >> that's exactly right. two words, michelle obama, we put her out there in big ways. to jen sport, to make people understand how tough this is going to be, because this was the spring when you guys get going longer and longer, our people kept saying, especially online contributors were like, wake us up when this guy decides to leaders. >> what were you guys doing on primary night? i mean the big night. these national conversation on politics, but i once had what were you guys trying to? >> we watched closely and they were good opportunities for us to kind of inter- into the commentary and share with our folks and jabs underneath it and it was also a chance for us to see how the message was unfolding. there were things that were said and debates that we kept a good notes on an popped up later on in the campaign. >> matt, you've been quoted on this before about the issue of immigration coming up and going after rick perry. do you still stand by what come you feel as if -- >> flip-flop. >> no, but you overreacted, overreacted to rick pe
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